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Very interesting! (With or without Hogan’s Heroes’ Sgt. Schultz characterization 😀)

In a sense defining grace is like defining God.

Could “God is Grace, and, Grace is God” also be another starting point, or re-positioning point?

Is “no-till” farming like grace, or is tilling the fields more like an application of grace?

Once upon a time, I asked a friend, who’s an artist and art teacher: “What do you do with someone like me, who has hardly any artistic talent?” I’ll never forget his answer: “I love students like you. If I ask the class to draw a car, the ‘talented’ artists will usually give me an exact replica of a car. But, somebody like you will give me a unique creation of a car!”

I have used that story as an illustration of grace as God accepting our earnest effort every moment, and always welcoming “another try”.

Thank you for another great day-starter!

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Some years ago I recognized that grace is an abstract concept that needs concrete application. So I crafted a definition that I have found useful even though it is far from comprehensive. Grace is the gift of God that enables the people of God to fulfill the will of God.

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Thank you for reading through this book. I’ve read sections of it. Comprehensive for sure. I like your use of themes of grace versus perfections (that word confuses me).

I wasn’t sure, Scot, where Trevor’s quote fits in: grace grinding, grace religion or something different.

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This is interesting and a great starting point, Scot. I'd love to see some more on the topic from you, and perhaps mainly I need to read the Barclay book. (I'm still a slow reader; 40 years of editing has made that of me, and there are negatives and positives to that abililty/disability.)

My first thought on reading this was that "grace" is a much more relational word than it's typically defined. That is, it's presented in the "grinding" version as top-down (only), hierarchical, and although we humans can't pretend that our relationship with God is non-hierarchical, there's a different flavor that comes out from this description. Reminds me that the First Testament background is "chesed," which is all about the strength of a relationship. Still thinking about this. Thanks for the great stimulation!

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